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3. Indecency
You wrote: Would you be kind enough to reply where in the Bible talks about Jesus having humanly desire with Mary Magdalene or even displayed any indecency?
That your response to my saying "Jesus also had sensual and sexual desires and a mate and lover in Mary Magdalene." - is to equate this to indecency brings up feelings of sadness for me. That one of God's greatest gifts to us - the ability to Touch with Love - has been twisted in our culture into something shameful and indecent is one of the great tragedies of the human condition - in my view.
Here is a quote from my book about my beliefs:
The gift of touch is an incredibly wonderful gift. One of the reasons we are here is to touch each other physically as well as Spiritually, emotionally, and mentally. Touch is not bad or shameful. Our creator did not give us sensual and sexual sensations that feel so wonderful just to set us up to fail some perverted, sadistic life test. Any concept of god that includes the belief that the flesh and the Spirit cannot be integrated, that we will be punished for honoring our powerful human desires and needs, is - in my belief - a sadly twisted, distorted, and false concept that is reversed to the Truth of a Loving God-Force.
We need to strive for balance and integration in our relationships. We need to touch in healthy, appropriate, emotionally honest ways - so that we can honor our human bodies and the gift that is physical touch.
Making Love is a celebration and a way of honoring the Masculine and Feminine Energy of the Universe (and the masculine and feminine energy within no matter what genders are involved), a way of honoring its perfect interaction and harmony. It is a blessed way of honoring the Creative Source.
One of the most blessed and beautiful gifts of being in body is the ability to feel on a sensual level. Because we have been doing human backwards, we have been deprived of the pleasure of enjoying our bodies in a guilt-free, shame-free, manner. By striving for integration and balance we can start to enjoy our human experience - on a sensual level as well as on the emotional, mental, and Spiritual levels.
As we learn the dance of Recovery, as we tune into the energy of Truth, we can reverse our emotional experience of being human so that most of the time it can feel more like a wonderful summer camp than a dreadful prison.
So, I do not believe that the idea of Jesus having the desires of a human male is indecent. Of course, the desires of human males have been raging out of balance and with no Spiritual foundation or emotional honesty for most of the history of this planet. Here is a quote from my column "Mothers Day":
"Women have been raped, not just physically by men, but also emotionally, mentally, and spiritually by the belief systems of "civilization" (both Western and Eastern) since the dawn of recorded history.
Those belief systems were the effect of planetary conditions which caused the Spiritual beings in human body to have a perspective of life, and therefore a relationship with life, that was polarized and reversed. This reversed, black and white, perspective of life caused humans to develop beliefs about the nature and purpose of life that were irrational, insane, and just plain stupid.
As just one small but significant example of this stupid, insane belief system, and the effect it had on determining the course of human development - including the scapegoating of women, consider the myth of Adam and Eve. 'Poor' Adam, who was just being a man (that is, he just wants to get in Eve's pants) does what Eve wants him to and eats the apple. So Eve gets the blame for Adam not having boundaries. Now is that stupid or what? And you wondered where Codependence started.
The stupid, insane perspectives that form the foundation of civilized society on this planet dictated the course of human evolution and caused the human condition as we have inherited it. The human condition was not caused by men, it was caused by planetary conditions! (If you want to know more about those planetary conditions you'll have to read my book.) Men have been wounded by those planetary conditions just as much as women (albeit in quite different ways.)" - Mothers
Men are supposed to have a strong sexual drive and be strongly attracted to women's bodies - it is part of the genetic programming to insure the survival of the species. It is the nature of the male animal of the human species to want to copulate with the female - that does not mean that I am in any way condoning the gross imbalance and Spiritual vacuum that has been manifested in human civilization around sex.
Part of the reason that there has been such an abusive and patriarchal structure to civilized society is because men have been baffled, confused, and scared of women since the dawn of recorded history. Women have the power to conceive life. There is no greater or more important power in the human species. A woman's ability to conceive and bring forth life gives women an opportunity and capacity to experience Love in a way no man ever can. Men have been jealous and terrified of the power of that Love - and of the power of their own desire to unite with and experience that Love - and reacted to their fear by attempting to subjugate, dominate, and diminish the inherent power of women.
Everything on the physical plane is a reflection of other levels. Ultimately, the strong sexual and sensual desires of human beings really have very little to do with the actual physical act of sex - the True compulsion to unite is about our wounded souls, about our endless, aching need to go home to the God/Goddess Energy. We want to reunite in ONENESS - in LOVE - because that is our True home.
Now, to come down from a metaphysical level to an individual personal level.
The abuse of my sexuality by the shaming religion I grew up in was compounded and magnified by the shame and fear of sexuality I saw in my role models and in society. I grew up in a society that reacted to a fundamental underlying belief that "the flesh is weak" and was incompatible with "decency" - at the same time it bowed to the power of the human sex drive by flaunting sex everywhere. In advertising, in fashion, in the media, books and music, etc. Talk about confusing and frustrating.
In addition to the shame about sexuality - I had shame about being a man because of my fathers role modeling of what a man was, and societal and historical role modeling of how dreadfully "man"kind had abused women, children, and men, the weak and poor, anyone who was different, the planet, etc., throughout civilized history.
I spent years in recovery working on healing my relationship with my feminine energy and my inner children before it ever occurred to me that I needed to heal my masculine. So now I have spent years also working on healing my masculine. Part of that healing has been about accepting my sexuality and the "male animal" in me. We need to embrace all of the parts of ourselves in order to become whole. It is only by owning and accepting our "dark" sides that we can start to have a balanced relationship with ourselves. Just as I have to accept that I have a "King Baby" (who wants immediate gratification now) or a "romantic child" (who believes in fairy tales) or a fierce warrior (who wants to vaporize stupid drivers) inside of me so that I can own them and set boundaries for them - I have to accept that there is a "male animal" in me who does want to copulate with most every attractive woman I see. By owning that part of me I can set a boundary for it so that I am not reacting in a way that causes me to be a victim of myself or to victimize someone else.
It is not shameful to be human. It is not shameful to have a sex drive. It is not shameful to have emotional needs. Human beings need to be touched. Way too many of us are starving for touch and affection - and we have acted out sexually in dysfunctional ways to try to get those needs met which often causes us to be bitter and resentful (at the bottom of any resentment is the need to forgive ourselves.) In our codependent extremes we swing between picking the wrong people and isolating ourselves. We believe - because of our experience in reacting out of our disease - that the only choices are between an unhealthy relationship and being alone. It is tragic and sad.
It is tragic and sad that we live in a society where it is so hard for people to connect in a healthy way. It tragic and sad that we live in a society where so many people are touch deprived. But it is not shameful. We are human. We are wounded. We are products of the cultural environments we were raised in. We need to take the shame out of our relationship with our selves, and all the parts of our self, so that we can be healing our wounds enough to be able to make responsible choices. (re - sponse - able, as in ability to respond instead of just react out of old tapes and old wounds.)
I can't believe I got off into all that - the Spirit works in mysterious ways.
But to get back to your use of the word "indecent" and your usage of the term "human male" - it sounds like I pushed some buttons for you. I would guess that you have some very painful wounds around male - female relationships, that you have some painful wounds associated with your relationship with your father, that you have been sexually abused (I use the term here for conventional sexual abuse but also to include being degraded because of gender) in some way in either your childhood or adulthood - and probably both. I would speculate that you have had some experience with a shame based religion that taught / teaches that sexuality is sinful and shameful.
I am very sorry for your pain. I am sorry for your loneliness. I am sorry for your deprivation. I know them well.
4. Jesus & Mary Magdalene
First of all I will offer a quote from the article referred to in the question:Christ Consciousness
By Robert Burney M.A.
"We all have available to us - within - a direct channel to the Highest Vibrational Frequency Range within The Illusion. That highest range involves consciousness of the Glory of ONENESS. It is called Cosmic Consciousness. It is called Christ Consciousness. This is the energy that Jesus was tuned into, and he stated very plainly, "These things that I do, you can do also." - by atoning, by tuning in. We have access to the Christ Energy within. We have begun the Second Coming of the message of Love."
Codependence: The Dance of Wounded Souls by Robert Burney
Jesus, in my opinion, was the most important Master Teacher in the history of humankind. The reason he was so important was that he taught Love. He carried the message of a Loving God-Force.
Jesus was a perfect Spiritual Being, a direct extension/manifestation from the ONENESS that is the God / Goddess Energy, having a human experience - just as we all are perfect Spiritual Beings having a human experience. What made Jesus different is that he was more en-Light-ened, more tuned in to the energy of Light and Love, more conscious of the Truth of ONENESS. That does not mean that he was able to be emotionally tuned into that Truth all of the time - no human can be. It meant that he carried a Knowing of that Truth and Love with him - integrated into his emotional responses to life. He was human - he did get angry, scared and afraid, he did have a dark side and know despair at times. Jesus also had sensual and sexual desires and a mate and lover in Mary Magdalene. Jesus & Christ Consciousness I am going to be doing extensive research and receiving more insight and understanding about Jesus and his life when it is time for me to write about him in Book 2 of my Trilogy. So for now I am going to give you the short answer to your question and then share a few things I pulled off the internet to demonstrate some of the different points of view.
Short answer:
I believe that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were lovers and mates because it feels like the Truth to me.
This is the bottom line for me - it feels right, it feels like Truth to me.
This is the bottom line for me - it feels right, it feels like Truth to me.
In searching the internet one of the things I came across was this web page.
Maria of Magdala at http://www.spiritualchallenge.com/maria.html
This page is for a novel about Mary Magdalene as Jesus's mate. I am going to be very interested in exploring this web site further and reading this novel. Here is the info:
Maria of Magdala is the legendary Mary Magdalene. She was thought to be Jesus' closest female companion. In the new novel currently reaching the market place, Two Thousand Years Later ... by International Travel Lecturer and Cambridge theologian Peter Longley, Maria of Magdala is actually Jesus' lover, and although unknown to Jesus at the time of his death, she becomes the mother of their son Ben Joshua. http://www.spiritualchallenge.com/index.html
Now for an example of some of the type of debate that goes on about this issue, here is something I found after only a few moments of searching on the internet this afternoon. I found it at a web site called Qumrun, Essene, and The Dead Sea Schrolls. By going to this address http://www.qumran.com/qumran/index.htm#0000001e (this link is no longer available) you can find an index of the postings on their bulletin board. This is some of the debate that took place in response to the following post. (The replies are numbered arbitrarily for my purposes - they are not the only replies. There are some calling the original person stupid and worse.)
Original Post: I hope that I am not intruding too much, but I recently was told that their is a belief that Jesus of Nazareth may have been a member of the Qumran/Essene sect and if so, would have been obligated to "be fruitful and multiply". It is said that possibly Jesus had three children with Mary Magdeline, who later became the lineage of many of the rulers of Europe, when she fled to what is now France. In this discussion, she is assuned to be the actual "Holy Grail" in that she was the receptical and carrier of the holy seed of Jesus. I am not a Biblical Scohlar but I would appreciate it if someone could direct me to some information regarding this particular theory, as i find it extremly interesting. I further understand that in some earlier versions of the Bible, it is said that Mary Magdeline was the favorite diciple of Jesus and that he considered her to be the most intelligent. Also that he often "kissed her full on the lips". I do know that there have been several versions of the Bible and that Priests and Secular rulers have disgarded many of the original books.
Reply 1: Actually, there are a few interesting references to the special relationship obviously in existence between Jesus and Mary. After all, it is to Mary that Jesus first appears following His resurrection - even though in ALL else, it was His Church that came first. Mary's reaction upon recognizing Jesus was to immediately attempt to embrace Him. Hardly the actions of a woman seeing a mere acquaintance (even a revered spiritual leader) risen from the dead.
There are many other interesting hints, however for a better analysis of them, and in particular the theory of Jesus and Mary's Lineage, please read "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" (Baigent, 1982).
As for the ultra pious christians out there who seem to feel that the notion of Christ being married is somehow "satanic" or "sinful", I would remind such that ALL Jewish men were not fully considered such if they were unmarried. In fact, according to Jewish tradition, a "rabbi" or "rabboni" (as Mary called Jesus) was, in addition to the schooling and training necessary, a MARRIED man. And finally, according to the Bible, the mother of Jesus was in charge of the servants at the Marriage at Cana. Interestingly, according to Jewish tradition, it is the mother of the Groom who is responsible for the preparation and serving of the food and beverages. Again, not proof, but still very telling.
Reply 2: The Gospel of Philip indeed describes Mary M. as the "one who was called his companion", i.e. the companion or wife of Jesus. Jesus "loved her more than all the disciples and used to kiss her often on the mouth....The rest of the disciples offended by it and expressed disapproval. They said to him, 'Why do you love her more than all of us?'..."
Reply 3-to this specific line: "I further understand that in some earlier versions of the Bible, it is said that Mary Magdeline was the favorite diciple of Jesus and that he considered her to be the most intelligent."
It was not that there were earlier versions of the Bible, but that there are books/scrolls/manuscripts which are not contained in Athanasius' canon/catalog. The Gospel of Miryam haMigdali and another Gnostic text do seem to imply this, as does the New Testament.
Reply 4: Why does this theory trouble you so? What about the idea of Jesus having been married and having thus fulfilled our first commandment to "be fruitful and multiply" upsets you so? Was not Christ subject to all things whatsoever He was commanded to obey? Though Christ committed no sin, did He not submit to being baptized for the remission of sins? And why? So that He might "fulfill all righteousness." He was obedient to His Father. Did not Christ Himself state that "neither man is without the woman, nor woman without the man, in the Lord"?
You, and those like you, react as sharply to the notion that Christ might have been married as if he were being accused of committing fornication or adultery. It amazes and saddens me that such Christians have such a reprehensibly low opinion of marriage.
Reply 5: I am surprized at your support for such nonesence!!!!!!!!!!!! If Y'shua had been married and had children he would have been in violation of the Torah to leave them! Think about it. It would have been against Jewish Law as well.
Surely we would have had all that criticism recorded, that would have followed. He had enough powerfull enemies whom would have been more than happy to use such ammo against him and his followers if it were true. What are you thinking???????????
Reply 6: I think your arguement works both ways. If a Rabbi HADN'T been married at this time it would've been pointed out by the enemies of Yeshua as outrageous behavior. And it may not be that he left his children, maybe he was only seprated from them for periods of time.
As you can see I took some time and effort with this reply - because the question was an important one. I hope that I have brought some clarity or new perspective to you that can be a help in your healing process. I will be interested in your response.
Wishing you Joy, Love, and Peace,
Robert Burney
Robert Burney
5 years later
In August 2003 I did a redesign of this article to put it on one web page instead of the two it has been on since February 1999. It is the first time I have read it in it's entirety in a couple of years. As is so often the case when I returned to something I wrote some time ago, I am very pleasantly surprised by it. I am both impressed by, and proud of, this page - and certainly do not take any ego credit for it. I think it is quite a masterful piece of writing - and I thank my co-author Bubba (a term I use for my Higher Self in my Trilogy.) Although I pulled a quote from this page for one of the recent chapters of the online book I am presently writing Codependency Recovery: Wounded Souls Dancing in the Light Book 2: A Dysfunctional Relationship with Life, I did not stop and read the article at that time. This article - which I originally wrote in August 1998, and probably modified slightly in early 1999 when I made it a web page on Joy2MeU.com - fits perfectly with the things I have been writing recently.
I spoke in my June 2003 Update about the level of sophisticated discernment that has manifested in the writing of this most recent online book which I am publishing as I write it.
Part of the condition of codependency is black and white thinking. That polarized thinking is the foundation of the "us vs them" perspective that has caused so much war and suffering in human history. It is just so important - so vital in my view - to start learning how to stop empowering black and white thinking so that we can have the wisdom to be discerning. It is vital both on the level of the individual personal recovery process, and in terms of healing the Human Condition.
"The name and significance of Jesus Christ carries great metaphysical power because of the importance of the message of Love carried by this Master Teacher. People who are not practicing discernment and still viewing life from a black and white perspective, often resonate with the Truth of Love symbolized by Jesus and don't know how to separate the feeling of connection and Love associated with Christ Consciousness from the distortions and lies that became a part of Christianity because it was a state religion being used by governments - beginning with Rome - to control and manipulate the masses." - Codependency Recovery: Wounded Souls Dancing in the Light Chapter 14 Spiritual ManifestoAs I emphasis in this article and often on my web site, I am not trying to force my beliefs on anyone - just offering you an alternative perspective to consider. We need to be willing to be open to larger perspectives in order to grow, in order to change our relationships with self and life.
"My own personal Spiritual belief system is one form of spirituality. It is certainly not the only one. Mine works for me very well in helping me to have a relationship with life that allows me to be happier today. It is not necessary for you to accept my belief system in order for you to use the tools, techniques, and perspectives that I have developed for emotional healing / codependence recovery / inner child integration.For the purposes of this discussion of spiritual integration, I would now define what I refer to as a Spiritual Awakening in the quote above, as: being open to a larger perspective - awakening from being trapped in a limiting perspective. In this regard, spiritual would be a qualifier, an adjective, that describes the quality of one's relationship with life.
This adjective, spiritual, would be (in my definition) a word describing an expanded level of consciousness. A level of consciousness, of awareness, that is expansive and inclusive and facilitates personal growth - as opposed to limited, exclusive, rigid, and inhibiting growth, development, and alternative view points." - The Recovery Process for inner child healing - spiritual integration
I wrote an online book of over 100,000 words about the terrorist attack of September 11, 2001. I felt compelled to write that work because I saw the unfolding events as such a blatant manifestation of the black and white thinking of codependency.
"In the normal course of events, it is rare for someone to read my words who isn't on the same wave length to some degree. However this is not a normal time - and the cataclysmic and tragic events of last week may bring some people to this site who would not normally read my words. I am going to be stating my Truth quite directly in this article without apology - or qualification for the most part. It is not my intention to insult anyone or cause anyone pain. If you think my words are sacrilegious or unpatriotic, then we are definitely not on the same wave length. Go in Peace, and Blessed Be." - Attack on America - A Spiritual Healing Perspective & Call for Higher Consciousness (first chapter posted online September 22, 2001)If you have read this far, you probably have some capacity to be open minded. I urge you to explore my site and take what you find helpful without letting any of my beliefs that you disagree with keep you from picking the baby out of the bathwater. I hope that you can recognize the respect with which I approach this subject - and the "Spirit of Love and Truth" that I attempt to attain in my writing.
This page came to my attention because I noticed it was getting a large number of visits - which usually means that someone has placed a link to this page on another web site. In looking at it, I decided to do the redesign. It was, as usual, a perfect unfolding of my recovery process - both in terms of aligning with what I have written recently, and in terms of what I am experiencing in my personal growth process. I hope you find some value here. - Robert August 11, 2003
